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Fake 3D Mania scores !

Postby jlp_38 » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:03 pm

It seems that scores from Diederik are fake !
I look at the replay and it seems to confirm.
The timing check report a game 3.2 times slower
than normality for his high 3D Mania score.

I\'ll delete it unless someone has on objection.
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Re:Fake 3D Mania scores !

Postby jlp_38 » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:05 pm

I deleted all suspicious score which have a wrong timing
check. However, The 2nd score from Diederik seems to be
correct.

So congratulations to diederik :s_bravo: for the 2nd place.

PS: I\'m not a 3DMania expert so if someone can check the
replay and see if this score is valid. It would be great.

I\'ve deleted the following score, I can reapply them on
demand:

4140,4141,4143,4144,4145,4153,4154,4155,4156,4157,4158,4168,4169
,4170,4171,4172,4173,4174,4175,4176,4177,4178,4180
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Re:Fake 3D Mania scores !

Postby fredjust » Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:29 pm

> I deleted all suspicious score which have a wrong timing

\"wrong timing\" ?

so block fall too slowly ? it\'s a bug on his PC or something else ?
(ralentissement intentionnel !?)

peut tu m\'envoyer le meilleur replay incorect pour que je puisse voir la différence ? je le les ai pas vu passer

Thanks
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Re:Fake 3D Mania scores !

Postby jlp_38 » Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:49 pm

Yes, there is timing check done in the game. I revalidated the
Diederik\'s best score and the timing check reports ~3.3 times
slower (something like -3 levels).
So it is strange. On more than 4000 scores only these few
ones have the problem. I don\'t know if it is intentional ?
There is also the same problem for the last 2nd score
by 3DManiac (~4 times slower).
Anyway, depending on how the timing has been hacked , it may
be difficult to see it on the replay.<br><br>Post edited by: jlp_38, at: 2008/02/27 16:53
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Re:Fake 3D Mania scores !

Postby fredjust » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:10 pm

Ok ! :s_wink:

because play on level skull is too difficult

but you play vey well, you make 36 two line on a game (105 lines) is vey difficult even with time cheating

try to play like this on level 7 and you beat the real top score

I will try to make more than 36 two lines (with a level 0 start)

=> a new game mode :
- no gravity
you lose on the first single line :s_mad:
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Re:Fake 3D Mania scores !

Postby jlp_38 » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:54 pm

Thanks to be honest :)

I\'ll remove the score this evening...

Concerning new gameplays, I\'m working on this at the moment.
I\'ve already got few interesting ideas :s_wink: Thank you for
this new idea.

Any new ideas are obviously welcome...
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Re:Fake 3D Mania scores !

Postby gumby » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:16 pm

Diederik: in case you did not do it already, please send a detailed description of your cheating method to Jean-Luc, so he can prevent this in the future releases.

as for new ideas:
how about a game without gravity, but with a single rotation limit per piece?
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Re:Fake 3D Mania scores !

Postby jlp_38 » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:27 pm

OK, i deleted the following score:
4207,4206,4205,4225,4226,4227,4233,4234,4238,4177,4179

I can reactivate one or more of them on demand.

Thanks gumby for this new idea. I can be useful to learn the
shortest rotation combinations to reach a desired orientation.
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Re:Fake 3D Mania scores !

Postby fredjust » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:30 pm

only one rotation ! very hard !! maybe 2 ?

and with 3 it\'s playable
you must do the best move for each block<br><br>Post edited by: fredjust, at: 2008/02/28 23:30
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Re:Fake 3D Mania scores !

Postby jlp_38 » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:40 pm

For info:
(using the 6 rotation keys)

with 0 moves: you can reach 1 /24 orientations
with 1 moves: you can reach 7 /24 orientations
with 2 moves: you can reach 18/24 orientations
with 3 moves: you can reach 24/24 orientations<br><br>Post edited by: jlp_38, at: 2008/02/28 23:42
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Re:Fake 3D Mania scores !

Postby witek » Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:01 am

jlp_38 wrote:For info:
(using the 6 rotation keys)

with 0 moves: you can reach 1 /24 orientations
with 1 moves: you can reach 7 /24 orientations
with 2 moves: you can reach 18/24 orientations
with 3 moves: you can reach 24/24 orientations<br><br>Post edited by: jlp_38, at: 2008/02/28 23:42

hi, 6 keys it\'s very good, but i have for rotation keys only 4 fingers :) therefore i can only 3 rotation keys to use.
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Re:Fake 3D Mania scores !

Postby Three3K » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:12 am

Hi there,

Thanks for removing my fake scores and for appreciating my honesty. I loved this game back in the early nineties. It will be hard to regain the level I had in those years, but I will try. I will continue playing in a fair manner with the name \'Three3K\', my highest score so far with 3D Mania is something like 133000.

As suggested by \'gumby\', I sent a description of my cheating method to the administrator, so Jean-Luc can prevent this in future releases.

About the number of moves used: would it be an idea to award less than 4 moves with bonus points? For instance:

bonus_unit * max(4 - number_of_moves, 0)

Thanks and have fun!
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Re:Fake 3D Mania scores !

Postby gumby » Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:17 pm

fredjust wrote:only one rotation ! very hard !!


that\'s the whole point ;)
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